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Wallace
US
2012-07-16 18:23:07
Classified Ads Scam
Craigslist (craiglist.com)
+3 Joseph William criminal scam
 Scammer
  Information
Name:
   Joseph William
Email Address:
   willlosep@gmail.com
Offered to buy an outboard for $2,500 and sent a check from LinQuest Corporation (a real corp) for $4,880 from which I was to pay $2300 to a shipper. I deposited the check. It came back as \"stop payment\". I lost some time and maybe other sales but was too cautious to pay shipping to an unknown shipper and address before funds had cleared.
His e mail:
On 6/16/2012 7:07 PM, Joseph William wrote:

I understand the present condition as started in the advert and i\'m
okay with the asking price, i will not be able to come to look at it
due to the long distant and the easiest way for me to make the payment
is through a bank check, i\'ll wait until your bank clears the check
before we proceed with the pickup. I\'ll also take care of the pickup
and delivery when the check cleared, provide me your name, address,
city, state, zip code for me to issue the check to you and also your
phone number for me to contact you.

Regard\'s
Joseph William
440 N 200 W. Logan, UT 84321

Followed by many short e mails urging me to proceed. He then sent this:

You will have to send the shipment fee to the mover through money gram money transfer at Walmart or their outlet in your location. To get money gram location or outlet in your locations please click www.moneygram.com

Make use of the mover agent info below to send the money.

Kelly Stoutenger
374 country route 54
Phoenix NY 13135

You will deduct the money gram transfer charges from the fund and get back to me with the money gram transfer details such as Money gram Reference number, Total Fund Sent, Senders Name and Address, for reference and withdraw of the fund. The mover will contact you to schedule the pickup date and time at your convenient time when they receive their payment, i will be waiting to read from you.

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I\'d be happy to cooperate with anyone on tracking these people and having them prosecuted.

Follow Ups/Extra Information. Most recent is listed first.
Anonymous   () Added the following extra information on :2012-09-27 00:57:07
 Scammer
  Information
Name:
   Joseph William
Email Address:
   willlosep@gmail.com
thanks for your quick response, i'm okay with the present condition as started in the advert and the asking price. i will not be able to come to look at it due to the long distant and the easiest way for me to make the payment is through a bank check, i'll wait until your bank clears the check before we proceed with the pickup. I'll also take care of the pickup and delivery when the check cleared, provide me your name, address, city, state, zip code for me to issue the check to you and also your phone number for me to contact you.
Regard's Joseph William 440 N 200 W. Logan, UT 84321
I shared competing offers that were much lower & he still insisted on paying "asking price"- that seemed squirrely to me so I emailed him that the item was being sold to a local paying cash.

No Name   (Littleton, CO, United States) Added the following extra information on :2012-08-27 21:43:24
 Scammer
  Information
Name:
   joseph William
Email Address:
   willlosap@gmail.com
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Joseph William wrote: thanks for your quick response, i'm okay with the present condition as started in the advert and the asking price, i will not be able to come to look at it due to the long distant and the easiest way for me to make the payment is through Google Checkout checkout.google.com and click on sign up, I'll take care of the pickup and delivery when the payment has been made, provide me your name, address, city, state, zip code for the mover to calculate the cost of the shipment and your google checkout email account for me to make the payment. Regard's Joseph William 440 N 200 W. Logan, UT 84321
Look Familiar?

Nate Kibler   (Holland, MI, United States) Added the following extra information on :2012-07-19 12:49:30
 Scammer
  Information
Name:
   Joseph William
Email Address:
   willlosepo@gmail.com
After posting for sale a car on CraigsList, I received an email from this person (Joseph William) claiming he lived in Utah and could not pick it up himself. Therefore, he was going to send a business check to not only pay me, but to pay the mover that will pick up the goods. After waiting 2 weeks, I did receive a check and deposited to my bank account. I was planning to wait 2 weeks for the check to clear, but I saw a post on here about the same guy scamming someone else, telling them to do exactly what he told me to do. He wanted me to send a Money Gram to someone in New York (all information will be below) for the amount of the excess on the check (which was more than the car), who will then come and pick up the goods. I had a feeling it was a scam, but I wanted to see how far he would go. Below are a couple pieces of information that might be relevant to catching this guy. I am waiting for the check to bounce, and once it does, I will take the fraudulent check and a copy of all the emails we exchanged to my local police office to see if this man can be prosecuted. I'm sure there is enough evidence here to back-trace this scammer.
After asking if I am still selling the vehicles, he responded with this email:
"Thanks for your quick response, i'm okay with the present condition as started in the advert and your asking price. i will not be able to come to look at it due to the long distant and the easiest way for me to make the payment is through a bank check, i'll wait until your bank clears the check before we proceed with the pickup. I'll also take care of the pickup and delivery when the check cleared, provide me your name, address, city, state, zip code for me to issue the check to you and also your phone number for me to contact you."
After telling him I was uneasy about dealing with checks online, he sent me this:
"i would have love to come over cash, it's because of the long distant and i'm very busy at work, i understand that there are many scams going on online, but to keep you rest assured about the payment, i will wait for the bank to verify and clear the check before we proceed with the pickup, so let me know if you really want to sell it to me."
After giving him my name, address, and phone number, he sent this:
"thanks for the information, the check will be mail to you and i will add the shipment fee to your asking price, you are to deduct your money and send the shipment fee to the mover who will come for the pickup, i know this is none of your business, but due to the mover's policy that the shipment fee has to be sent by you, to show that you have permitted them to come for the pickup at your side. Please withdraw the advert from Craigs to avoid interruption and let me know when you want me to mail the check."
Finally, after receiving the check and telling him about it, he responded:
"You will have to send the shipment fee to the mover through money gram money transfer at Walmart or their outlet in your location. To get money gram location or outlet in your locations please click www.moneygram.com
Make use of the mover agent info below to send the money.
Kelly Stoutenger 374 country route 54 Phoenix NY 13135
You will deduct the money gram transfer charges from the fund and get back to me with the money gram transfer details such as Money gram Reference number, Total Fund Sent, Senders Name and Address, for reference and withdraw of the fund. The mover will contact you to schedule the pickup date and time at your convenient time when they receive their payment, i will be waiting to read from you."
If you've experience something similar, please present any further evidence that may assist me/us in catching this criminal. Thank you.

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